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Reinventing Sonor: What would it take?

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Reinventing Sonor: What would it take?

Post by Jules »

Seems like some people were displeased that Sonor didn't release some new mystical magical drum series. They seem to feel like the Momentum series is largely a continuation of what Sonor is already doing - and it is.

But, where do you, or better yet: where COULD you go from here that would break the glass ceiling? I think the Horst Link Signature Series and then the Designer Series were to series that certainly broke the molds in the drum world. But, in 2025, what could you do on a catalog drum series to really step ahead of the pack AND be highly marketable?

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Post by tcbetka »

Yeah...at the end of the day it's just a circular piece of plywood with some hardware on it. Personally, I don't see anything wrong with the line--including the name. I'm not much of a "marketing" guy though, but it's certainly an easy name to remember. The only thing I question is the "no mount on the kick drum" decision. Although I don't want one on most of the kick drums I would own, it might be nice to have one with a mount. But that's not a huge deal as I can always install one myself.

So unless there is some high-tech new glue or lamination process, I don't see what sort of innovation people expect from a drum company. I mean it's not like we can invent a new type of wood. So to me, Sonor is just reacting to the things that seem to sell the best maybe? Maybe their sales data indicates that they're selling more of the medium shell, so that's what you decide to push this time around? To me, the fact that they are offering any of their wood types in a non-SQ2 line, is fantastic. The 6mm shell seems to be a good all-around choice, and now you can have your maple kick and birch toms in a line that doesn't require taking out a second mortgage. And if it keeps them better able to offer the drums in a shorter timespan when an order is placed...so much the better. But for those who truly "want it their way," then they still offer the SQ2 drums. Get out your check book.

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Post by SonorBart »

As Jules pointed out, the Signature Series in the 80's, Designers in the 90's, and I would add Phonics in the 70's, were all iconic lines because of unique design advances and Sonor's desire to produce the best drums in the world. Those years coincided with the music business, especially rock, at it's peak with large numbers of people buying rock instruments and playing at levels ranging from garages to bars to arenas. Those days are well behind us. The last time a rock song was #1 on the Billboard Top 100 was in 2001 and consequently, sales of rock instruments have dropped significantly. With a much smaller market now, I just hope Sonor can make it to 200 years. Sadly, 50 years from now, electric guitar players will be as uncommon as accordian players are today.

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Post by DaveInNZ »

I really feel I could write War and Peace about this, but I'm going to try not to.

Sonor need to tick off a few basic things:

  • Top of the list, financial stability, especially at the moment with post-COVID inflation, volatile shipping globally and world domination fantasists making stability between countries a daily roll of the dice.

  • Top tier German made products that continue to set a benchmark globally and continue to either offer things others do not, or offer things others also do, but just do it better.

  • Reliable reference to their heritage, but IMO not by doing what Ludwig has done, which is essentially to get back on the scoreboard after making some bad decisions, making what they made in their heyday again, just (marginally) better built.

  • The 'superiority' of their products be based on truths - excellent quality, genuine research, proper design engineering in evidence in their manufacturing, science where necessary - NOT on marketing hokum (I'm looking at you DW)

  • Gateway drugs, to get new drummers into what Sonor is all about

It's the top one which I think is currently getting people out of whack currently. I can see why everyone is saying that the Momentum series is too safe, too much of a 'parts bin special' and too much like 'saving money' rather than anything new, but in the context of where we are currently, I'd question the financial savvy of any company boss re-writing the products from the ground up. We're not in late 80's Germany when all German manufacturing threw money hand over fist at making the best products money could buy. It's not exciting, but I'd rather see a company play it safe and still be here for their 200th anniversary than revolutionise things and be gone in 5ys.

Then when you look down the rest of that list, they're pretty much already doing it. This is why I think some of the criticisms that have come out this year, I can see where they come from but in many senses, they're not valid.

But to play the game, what could they do?

  • Continue to lean into the limited run (Craftsman, 150th etc) idea - like it or not, every high value, desirable brand is playing this game. Generate more demand than there is supply and it continues to elevate your brand as luxurious. There are pitfalls to this though, some brands are doing it to almost everything - there's nothing particularly 'halo' about 250 cheap kits in a specific colour when that's probably the actual amount you'll sell globally anyway. That does more harm than good to the brand name. Do not go down the Ferrari/Porsche route of only being able to buy the very high end stuff if you're on a friends list, one which you had to buy your way onto with 20 previous purchases first. Sonor are already navigating the opposite ends of this spectrum pretty well.

  • Update the made in Asia products. They already turned the right corner by setting a quality level they won't drop beyond, that's serving them well. IMO the lugs look cheap and a bit 'jelly mould copy of the real thing.' I'd look at updating those to make them a little 'sharper' looking, retain TuneSafe but make sure they're still differentiated to the German ones somehow via a method that isn't 'make them from pot metal.'

  • Re-factor the Asian made series to cater to who is buying them. Those with a tighter budget, those who are entering the Sonor world, and more importantly, those who are well aware of the Sonor brand, but who want a cheap gigging kit. I think finishes, shell sizes etc. could be tweaked to make some of the Asian made gear irresistible for seasoned gigging types.

  • Dare I say an Asian made kit with roundover edges and thin shells for all the vibey jazz heads playing five nights a week in little bars?

  • Lean into what makes Sonor snares great. Outwardly they look like parts bin specials, with a fancy paint job a lot of the time. If I looked at a Jost Nickel snare, nothing about it stands out beyond it being a standard shell with standard parts. Yet once you own a few Sonor snares, you realise what's magic about them is the weird 'sum of its parts' effect that goes beyond the spec sheet. I've never really seen them ever talk about that and I think it's their greatest stand out difference. Keep the Prolite brass, but explain why, somehow, it's better than a brass Kompressor. Don't vanish too far into marketing bullshit.

  • Even if it's only in small numbers, reintroduce parallel action snares

  • Include Vintage Series lugs, bronze shells and a few other choice options into the SQ2 configurator.

  • Update the veneer options, they need less 'billionaire's boardroom table ostentatious' veneers and more 'Japanese/Scandinavian minimalist classy' options. I'm personally a big fan of the heavily figured/quilted looks, and of the Japanese Sen that Tama use.

  • Introduce the option to stain a veneer choice from a limited palette.

  • Also introduce torched options to some select veneers. Tama and BDC doing it well, Craviotto and N&C are not.

  • Call it SQ2+ if you like, but for silly money, actually let people order whatever they want. Yes I do want a 7.25" depth snare. Yes I do want to send you a tree from my family's yard and have you turn it into the outer veneer. Yes I do want a 20" floor tom, or silly deep or silly shallow floor toms. Yes I do want roundover edges on my 12mm thick floor tom.

  • If Momentum Series works, have another, with reduced options using the vintage shell recipe with rings.

  • Have a crack at the one shell recipe they haven't taken on yet which is still so desirable - 3ply with rings and rounded edges (and potentially two woods) and take on Ludwig and Gretsch and everyone else at their own game.

  • Try a kit made from a genuinely hard wood, call it a Craftsman run if you like, but let me see what Sonor would do with some jarrah or something like that in 10mm thick layup.

  • Gigging hardware

  • Signature Series style high end hardware

I'll stop now but I could go on... :lol:

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Post by Jules »

I could dig in point by point, but I have a late notice road trip in the early AM. All or most of the things you mentioned about the SQ2 are available by request. You build it as close as you can on the configurator and the dealer puts through the updates, such as finish, etc. I think special depths are included. You could probably get that 20 floor tomorrow, but the problem would be that it would be with the outside diameter of a 20" bass drum which may be the same, I am not sure.

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Post by Wayne »

So long as they keep offering the sq2 line I really have nothing to complain about (except the stupid knob on the tom mount). Well I guess they could offer metal snares on the configurator.

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Post by tcbetka »

Jules wrote: Sun Oct 19, 2025 9:39 pm

I could dig in point by point, but I have a late notice road trip in the early AM. All or most of the things you mentioned about the SQ2 are available by request. You build it as close as you can on the configurator and the dealer puts through the updates, such as finish, etc. I think special depths are included. You could probably get that 20 floor tomorrow, but the problem would be that it would be with the outside diameter of a 20" bass drum which may be the same, I am not sure.

Yes--I would think it wouldn't be too big of a deal to get them to make a bespoke-depth tom, like 7.25" or something weird like that. I mean if they already measure the shell depth, set a fence on their table saw, and cut the shell...then what difference would it make to do it to 7.25" for instance? The only downfall I can see for Sonor is that it might affect the amount of waste from the veneers they purchase. Then again if they're charging more for an SQ2+ kit, then that should cover any such cost. So it shouldn't be an issue in that sense.

For any of you who've been over to the factory: What's their man-power like there, in terms of people actually building the drums? I know they automate some things, like CNC-controlled drilling the shells for hardware. But do they otherwise have man-power issues, in terms of having enough people to build these drums? I mean, why does it take 8-9 months to get an SQ2 kit? Does it still take that long? If so, is there a way to decrease that time?

I guess my point is that maybe their "innovation" is an improvement in the efficiency with which they make drums? Maybe they'd sell more SQ2 drums if it only took 3 months to get them for instance? For me, part of the mystique of the top-of-the-line Sonor drums is that it does take so long to get them. "These drums are made so well that it took 10 months to get them!" That sort of thing. But to the average mp3-society drummer, they want what they want when they want it. So maybe there would be some benefit (for Sonor) to make their top-line drums more quickly?

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tcbetka wrote: Mon Oct 20, 2025 8:51 am

For any of you who've been over to the factory: What's their man-power like there, in terms of people actually building the drums? I know they automate some things, like CNC-controlled drilling the shells for hardware. But do they otherwise have man-power issues, in terms of having enough people to build these drums? I mean, why does it take 8-9 months to get an SQ2 kit? Does it still take that long? If so, is there a way to decrease that time?

When I was there, which was a number of years ago now, there was a number of in the region of 50 workers mentioned on our tour through the factory. In the area of actual shell production, I don't know but it I got the impression it wasn't so many. A guy collecting wood, a couple saw operator, couple max at the shell presses, operator on the bearing edge router was the general idea I got. A guy doing wraps, a guy spraying shells. Anecdotal, could be different now of course.

My SQ2 took 16 weeks in 2013, and about the same in 2017.

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Post by tcbetka »

A four-month lead time isn't bad at all for a kit with that level of quality, to be clear. And of course I understand that Sonor only has a finite number of shell presses--and for an SQ2 kit, it's not like you can make a bunch of them beforehand, just to keep them "in stock." So for that reason alone, it's going to take longer to get that sort of kit.

When I ordered an SQ2 heavy beech kit from Shane back in 2012 or so, it took 8-9 months as I recall.

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tcbetka wrote: Mon Oct 20, 2025 12:17 pm

A four-month lead time isn't bad at all for a kit with that level of quality, to be clear. And of course I understand that Sonor only has a finite number of shell presses--and for an SQ2 kit, it's not like you can make a bunch of them beforehand, just to keep them "in stock." So for that reason alone, it's going to take longer to get that sort of kit.

When I ordered an SQ2 heavy beech kit from Shane back in 2012 or so, it took 8-9 months as I recall.

I ordered my SQ2 in August of this year through Sweetwater and was quoted 12 to 14 months. Not sure if that’s a boiler plate timeframe for them to set expectations or if that’s what they are really seeing.

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